Demons Among Us

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MinusInnocence
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Demons Among Us

The idea of a war between angels and demons playing out on 21st century city streets is a popular theme for video games and movies today. Legion, Constantine, The Prophecy, etc. Other stories focus on Satan in particular, and that can be kind of cool in its own right. End of Days is no Devil's Advocate but Gabriel Byrne is still pretty incredible in the role of Lucifer.

There are a handful of ways to go about incorporating something like this into games. d20 Modern is a very modular system that can be tweaked to run just about any kind of game. It even has a sourcebook about different ways for the world to end and I think the Biblical story of Revelation is one of the options presented in the book. In Nomine is far more obscure but it's a stand-alone game with precisely this in mind: the players are running either a group of low-ranking angels or fledgling demons and must carry out their shadow war under the noses of mortals, all while trying to advance in the infernal or celestial hierarchies. For a brief time there was a game called Nexus War, modeled after Urban Dead,where players assumed the roles of angels, demons or mortals stuck in between battling in a kind of Purgatory that had been plucked from time and space. Everyone stuck there was supposed to battle it out to determine the fate of the next world.

Right now I've been reading a lot on Demon: The Fallen, set in White Wolf's "World of Darkness" setting. It was published in 2002 so it coincides with that period's "Final Nights" timeline for the various games in that setting. What sets Demon apart is that there aren't actually any angels in the World of Darkness at all. The Age of Wrath concluded with the demons being cast into Hell. But the walls of their prison was sundered in a great storm in the underworld, and cracks formed large enough for the weakest among them to slip out and return to Earth. When they arrived, they saw that the world had largely been abandoned, which helps to explain why there are so many wizards, vampires, werewolves, ghosts, faeries and other unsavory types running around.

Has anyone ever played any of these games or run a game like this before?

Fixxxer
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No, but I've considered running a d20 Modern game with a theme not unlike Talanall's old "City Beneath the Sea" game. Or the show Supernatural. Angels, demons, the four horsemen, vampires, rakshasa, the works. I might eventually get around to it.

MinusInnocence
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From what I've heard, Supernatural is a lot like Dresden Files. It's a cool concept, that this world is a thin veneer over the true world of magic and stuff. White Wolf's Hunter: The Reckoning is like that. Only a handful of people have the gift of true sight, and it affects them in different ways; so someone might be able to use magic to heal wounds or control fire, and someone else could have superhuman strength to fight evil. Not every mortal antagonist for supernatural creatures in the World of Darkness is necessarily a Hunter, but the ones that are present a real problem for vampires, werewolves and other beasties.

"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

Fixxxer
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That's an apt description of Supernatural. The first half of season 1 was very monster of the week and they even made a cheeky apology for the low-class writing later in the series. Some of the later stuff was very good. Everything leading up to the season finale of season 5, when the show was originally slated to end, was excellent. The show was picked back up afterward and they've really been sorta wandering a little aimlessly since then.

MinusInnocence
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I used to know a guy who thought he was a witch hunter.

I don't really have anything else to say about it except that we don't talk anymore.

"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

drumandfight
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MinusInnocence wrote:

I used to know a guy who thought he was a witch hunter.

I don't really have anything else to say about it except that we don't talk anymore.

You should have a lot more to say about that! My first question: What in the fuck? My second question: Hey, can you explain that?

Aly and I are just finishing the first season of Supernatural. Something about its corny bullshit keeps pulling us in. I like it because it reminds me of watching the X-Files back in the day with my old man.

MinusInnocence
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I LOVED the "Monster of the Week" aspect of X-Files. That show remains perhaps one of the most important sci-fi/fantasy/horror contributions to television.

"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

deadDMwalking
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*ahem* Twilight Zone

Rod Serling is a god.

Fixxxer
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Twilight Zone was really, really good. The Outer Limits from the 90s was even better.

D&F, stick with Supernatural. Seasons 2-5 were very good.

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Fixxxer wrote:

Twilight Zone was really, really good.

Point of trivia -

We've probably all heard the remark that television programming is a 'vast wasteland'.

Twilight Zone was among the very few programs specifically excluded from that general comment.

Speech here:

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/newtonminow.htm

drumandfight
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Fixxxer wrote:

Twilight Zone was really, really good. The Outer Limits from the 90s was even better.

D&F, stick with Supernatural. Seasons 2-5 were very good.

Definitely will do. We finished season 1 last night and are ready to tackle season 2.

Also, thanks for getting back to me, MI. I wasn't genuinely intrigued or anything.

MinusInnocence
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Right, well, I said I didn't have much else to say about it. :)

"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

drumandfight
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Cool story.

MinusInnocence
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After updating the World of Darkness query thread, I just realized I initially brought up the witch hunter guy because we started talking about Hunter: The Reckoning. I guess it would be another option for the White Wolf game. That, or just playing regular mortals. That would be kind of cool, too, because it would open the door for a more Cthulhu Mythos-ish thing where you're more like investigators and researchers than really trying to fight monsters.

"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

drumandfight
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I would be down for that as well. I am in hardcore RPG mode.