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Fixxxer
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*crosses fingers*
ohpleaseohpleaseohplease

Fixxxer
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Unless I've missed something, Vumrot hasn't used up his AoO this round, which would have been the opening that Zathrus looked for to duck away and maybe force a potion down Yonah's throat. He doesn't know Yonah well enough to bleed for him. But he's in a spot where he can either bleed or do nothing, which is no option at all. And he's irked. Energy Push again. Fire again.

Ranged touch; damage
I rolled 1d20+1, the result is 17, 1 = 18.
I rolled 2d6+2, the result is 5, 6, 2 = 13.
Fixxxer
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Concentration check to not lose the power, in case Zathrus is damaged by an AoO.

Concentration
I rolled 1d20+7, the result is 15, 7 = 22.
Talanall
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Are you sure you don't just want to manifest defensively with that check?

Wæs se grimma gæst Grendel haten,
mære mearcstapa, se þe moras heold

Fixxxer
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Hey, yeah, that's totally an option, isn't it? Let's do that.

Talanall
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Reflex, Str.

I rolled 1d20+8, the result is 2, 8 = 10.
I rolled 1d20+1, the result is 16, 1 = 17.

Wæs se grimma gæst Grendel haten,
mære mearcstapa, se þe moras heold

Fixxxer
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Oh, he *would* make his Str check and not get pummeled to death under the Goku-like force of Zathrus's power. Hmph!

Talanall
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I could have made him an albino red dragon, just to fuck with you.

Wæs se grimma gæst Grendel haten,
mære mearcstapa, se þe moras heold

Cronono
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Is it obvious Yonah is down yet?

Talanall
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To everyone except Gorx, certainly. Gorx can't see anything that's happening inside the cave.

Wæs se grimma gæst Grendel haten,
mære mearcstapa, se þe moras heold

Cronono
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Surely, then, surely, the dice roller won't screw over this diplomacy roll. Surely.

Theoretically, I am good at this.
I rolled 1d20+11, the result is 8, 11 = 19.
Talanall
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The dice roller wants your fucking blood, people.

Anyway, what's Gorx's answer to the spirit who can actually speak a language he understands?

Wæs se grimma gæst Grendel haten,
mære mearcstapa, se þe moras heold

Cronono
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"If you just kill the damn dragon I will kill a goat or something for you. Please? You are embarrassing me in front of my cousins."

Fixxxer
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Talanall wrote:

I could have made him an albino red dragon, just to fuck with you.

Wait, you mean he [i]isn't[/i]?

Talanall
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Stabilization for Yonah

I rolled 1d100, the result is 17 = 17.

Wæs se grimma gæst Grendel haten,
mære mearcstapa, se þe moras heold

Fixxxer
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Oh, I think I like this ghost. If she helps turn the tide, Zathrus is going to make damn sure Gorx keeps his promise.

Board Rider
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Fanax does a double take of the newcomer and is somewhat confused at the mention of goats. However, he quickly figures who the "little asshole" is and concludes this newcomer must be one of Gorx's spirits.

All of those thoughts process while Fanax slides to his left to once again flank the dragon, this time opposite of Zathrus. The ranger again moves around the tail to swipe with his short sword and then pivots and ducks bringing his hand axe up behind Vumrots leg.

SS Attack, SS Damage, SA Damage, HA Attack, HA Damage; SA Damage
I rolled 1d20+10, the result is 10, 10 = 20.
I rolled 1d4+1, the result is 2, 1 = 3.
I rolled 1d6, the result is 6 = 6.
I rolled 1d20+9, the result is 6, 9 = 15.
I rolled 1d4, the result is 2 = 2.
I rolled 1d6, the result is 3 = 3.
Talanall
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So close.

I may as well see what Grimvaalk does before I update.

Wæs se grimma gæst Grendel haten,
mære mearcstapa, se þe moras heold

Talanall
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Okay, in a separate conversation Darker said Grimvaalk is going to delay until the battlefield reaches a configuration that gives him a clear shot at Vumrot. So that brings us to the dragon's turn.

Zathrus's base AC is 12, and he has manifested force screen for an additional +4 shield bonus. So he's effectively at 16.

Vummie doesn't like him much, right now.

I rolled 1d20+13, the result is 3, 13 = 16.
I rolled 1d8+1, the result is 4, 1 = 5.
I rolled 1d20+8, the result is 7, 8 = 15.
I rolled 1d6, the result is 4 = 4.
I rolled 1d20+8, the result is 11, 8 = 19.
I rolled 1d6, the result is 3 = 3.
I rolled 1d20+8, the result is 13, 8 = 21.
I rolled 1d4, the result is 1 = 1.
I rolled 1d20+8, the result is 17, 8 = 25.
I rolled 1d4, the result is 4 = 4.

Wæs se grimma gæst Grendel haten,
mære mearcstapa, se þe moras heold

Talanall
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I'm going to assume that Fanax is avoiding looking at the ghost's face, like the nice lady told him.

Fanax (aversion, Fort save); Vumrot (Fort Save)
I rolled 1d100.hits(51), the result is 7 = 0 vs. 51.
I rolled 1d20+3, the result is 6, 3 = 9.
I rolled 1d20+10, the result is 15, 10 = 25.

Wæs se grimma gæst Grendel haten,
mære mearcstapa, se þe moras heold

Talanall
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Refresh my memory, please, BR. I see that Fanax's attack with his sword is at +10. That's +3 BAB, +5 Dex, +1 enhancement, +1 feat. Correct? Where's his size bonus? Goblins are sized Small.

This also applies to his axe, bow, and dagger.

I'm not going to go back and retroactively check to see if any of his other attacks hit, but I noticed this while I was checking Zathrus's AC, and I hadn't tabulated the damage for Fanax's most recent turn. So there's nine points of damage you didn't think were going to apply.

You should fix your sheet.

Wæs se grimma gæst Grendel haten,
mære mearcstapa, se þe moras heold

Talanall
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Wolf (bleeding)

I rolled 1d100, the result is 28 = 28.

Wæs se grimma gæst Grendel haten,
mære mearcstapa, se þe moras heold

Board Rider
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Talanall wrote:

Refresh my memory, please, BR. I see that Fanax's attack with his sword is at +10. That's +3 BAB, +5 Dex, +1 enhancement, +1 feat. Correct? Where's his size bonus? Goblins are sized Small.

This also applies to his axe, bow, and dagger.

I'm not going to go back and retroactively check to see if any of his other attacks hit, but I noticed this while I was checking Zathrus's AC, and I hadn't tabulated the damage for Fanax's most recent turn. So there's nine points of damage you didn't think were going to apply.

You should fix your sheet.


Good catch. I'll fix it. Upon a quick review the additional +1 wouldn't have mattered save for that last roll.

May not matter, this looks like a TPK.

Board Rider
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And yes Fanax will not look at the ghost.

Talanall
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I think this one is looking too close to call. You guys are in pretty dire straits, but Vumrot's getting the shit kicked out of him, too. He's looking rough.

Wæs se grimma gæst Grendel haten,
mære mearcstapa, se þe moras heold

Fixxxer
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If we pull this off, we'll be heroes. If we don't, we'll be dragon poop.

MinusInnocence
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Oni is very progressive and will respect the dead woman's wishes to the letter. No eye contact at all. He doesn't want to get caught up in whatever weird undead shenanigans she has in store for Vumrot, so switching tactics again and trying to grapple him now would be a poor choice even if he had an OK chance of succeeding.

Another attack with Yonah's morningstar; but Oni will take a 5' step into the square where Zathrus is bleeding out, hoping to put himself more in the dragon's path if it decides to try and fly away.

Morningstar vs Vumrot (masterwork, two hands)
I rolled 1d20+6, the result is 4, 6 = 10.
I rolled 1d8+4, the result is 6, 4 = 10.

"Men are the only animals that devote themselves, day in and day out, to making one another unhappy. It is an art like any other. Its virtuosi are called altruists." - H.L. Mencken

Talanall
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Well, that wasn't helpful. But I enjoy the palindromic results in the dice outcome, so I guess that's something.

Wæs se grimma gæst Grendel haten,
mære mearcstapa, se þe moras heold

Talanall
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Vumrot, Fort save

Save, damage, Charisma damage
I rolled 1d20+10, the result is 8, 10 = 18.
I rolled 2d10, the result is 5, 9 = 14.
I rolled 1d4, the result is 3 = 3.

Wæs se grimma gæst Grendel haten,
mære mearcstapa, se þe moras heold

Talanall
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Stabilization, Zathrus

I rolled 1d100, the result is 49 = 49.

Wæs se grimma gæst Grendel haten,
mære mearcstapa, se þe moras heold

Talanall
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Okay, Gorx is up. But Grimvaalk has a delay going, because he's looking for a clear shot.

Based on the movements chosen by Oni and Thadie the Ghost, it looks like we have to have a discussion about whether Vumrot has soft cover from Oni. If he doesn't, then Grimvaalk has a clear shot, albeit at a -4 penalty because he doesn't have Precise Shot.

If he does still have soft cover, then I guess Grimvaalk is either going to have to wait some more (which will mean that he has completely wasted his turn), or act and hope that he's lucky enough to get in a hit despite the accrued penalties to hit and bonuses to AC.

So it probably is the case that Grimvaalk should do SOMETHING, regardless of what conclusions we draw here.

Here's the rule snippet at issue in determining whether there's cover.

"SRD" wrote:
To determine whether your target has cover from your ranged attack, choose a corner of your square. If any line from this corner to any corner of the target’s square passes through a square or border that blocks line of effect or provides cover, or through a square occupied by a creature, the target has cover (+4 to AC).

If we look at the square currently inhabited by Yonah's unconscious body (which means that Grimvaalk can move into it), we can start a line at the NW corner of that square, and we'll see that it definitely doesn't pass through a square inhabited by a creature on its way to any corner of Vumrot's square. That's good for Grimvaalk. This testing line also has unimpeded access to the entire northern edge of Vumrot's square; Fanax definitely is NOT in the way.

The questionable thing is whether the northern border of Oni's square provides cover. One mode of argument would hold that because the testing line passes longitudinally "through" the entire length of that border, and since Oni is in that square and is conscious, this border provides cover and the testing line passes through it. This is the position that I have held up to this point. I am not extremely committed to it because there is a very decent chance that I am wrong.

The contrary position would be that the testing line does not pass "through" a covering border, but rather that it passes "along" this border. This approach basically interprets "through a [. . .] border" to mean that the testing line crosses a border at a single point.

We're not the first group to have this discussion. See https://rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/113396/does-a-ranged-attack-arou..., which has specifically to do with how these testing lines are drawn. This linked discussion involves proper "hard" cover for the sake of its discussion, so there's also some extraneous discussion about the ranged attacker in the test case being protected from AoO.

The consensus through this link is that my gut was wrong on this question, and that Grimvaalk now has a clear shot. Do you guys join this consensus?

Wæs se grimma gæst Grendel haten,
mære mearcstapa, se þe moras heold

Darker

I think if it were to mean longitudinally "through" the entire length of that border, then a case where an archer was 10' S from his target and had an ally to his NW and NE but no one in front, would mean that a target had cover, and it makes no sense

Talanall
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Yes, I concur. But the case we're discussing involves a situation where the archer is 10 ft. south of his target, and is directly south of one of his allies.

As the original poster in the linked discussion says, this "feels wrong" to me if the target doesn't have cover. But in the example you offer, it "feels wrong" if I say that the target does have cover.

Your example is convincing, though, and the arguments advanced by the commentators through the link are likewise pretty convincing.

Wæs se grimma gæst Grendel haten,
mære mearcstapa, se þe moras heold

Darker

Let's see if the point is moot! This will be fun.

I rolled 1d20+5, the result is 6, 5 = 11.
I rolled 1d6+2, the result is 1, 2 = 3.
I rolled 1d20+5, the result is 17, 5 = 22.
I rolled 1d6+2, the result is 2, 2 = 4.
Talanall
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Definitely not moot.

Wæs se grimma gæst Grendel haten,
mære mearcstapa, se þe moras heold

Darker

Dice roller, why that damage though?!

Fixxxer
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We haven't bled and sacrificed enough, obviously. Let us all murder our NPC fellows in a fountain of gore! Let the arterial spray be as artwork to His majesty and His glory! Blood for He who demands it!

Talanall
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I'll leave this discussion open for just a bit longer, so that anyone else who wants to chime in can do so, but later this evening I intend to move ahead so that we don't have an undue delay to the actual progress of the game.

Wæs se grimma gæst Grendel haten,
mære mearcstapa, se þe moras heold

Board Rider
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I am fine with either ruling.

Darker

We wouldn't want to delay the party become dragon chow.

Fixxxer
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I'm also fine either way. Whatever seems like the simplest way of handling it moving forward.

Talanall
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Thadie: Corrupting Gaze vs. Grimvaalk
1d100 to avoid save (averted eyes)
Fort vs. Corrupting Gaze (DR 14)
Hit points
Charisma

I rolled 1d100.hits(51), the result is 99 = 1 vs. 51.
I rolled 1d20+5, the result is 16, 5 = 21.
I rolled 2d10, the result is 8, 5 = 13.
I rolled 1d4, the result is 3 = 3.

Wæs se grimma gæst Grendel haten,
mære mearcstapa, se þe moras heold

Cronono
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Gorx double moves due West.

Board Rider
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Beads of sweat roll down Fanax's face as he continues to dodge, duck, and dive the movement and attacks of the stubborn dragon. The young goblin hates these types of encounters but, with everyone down, there is nobody to cover his escape; there is no way Fanax would leave Grim behind.

"If Gorx were here I would leave though," Fanax whispers quietly to himself.

Seeing an opening, Fanax spins on his heels sword and axe pinned to his forearms. Stopping suddenly, the rogue slashes at Vumrot.

SS Attack, SS Damage, SA damage, HA attack; HA damage, SA damage
I rolled 1d20+11, the result is 8, 11 = 19.
I rolled 1d4+1, the result is 2, 1 = 3.
I rolled 1d6, the result is 3 = 3.
I rolled 1d20+10, the result is 10, 10 = 20.
I rolled 1d4, the result is 2 = 2.
I rolled 1d6, the result is 5 = 5.
Board Rider
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Is there another die roller for this site Talanall? This one is ass.

Talanall
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It probably would help if you guys didn't continually say hateful things about this one. You're hurting its feelings.

Aversion (Fanax); Fort Save (Fanax); Dmg; Cha dmg
I rolled 1d100.hits(51), the result is 83 = 1 vs. 51.
I rolled 1d20+3, the result is 20, 3 = 23.
I rolled 2d10, the result is 6, 7 = 13.
I rolled 1d4, the result is 3 = 3.
Fort Save (Vumrot); Dmg; Cha dmg;
I rolled 1d20+10, the result is 14, 10 = 24.
I rolled 2d10, the result is 6, 10 = 16.
I rolled 1d4, the result is 1 = 1.
Bite vs. Fanax (AC 22); Claw vs. Oni (AC 14); Claw vs. Grimvaalk (AC 21); Wing vs. Fanax; Wing vs. Grimvaalk
I rolled 1d20+13, the result is 2, 13 = 15.
I rolled 1d8+1, the result is 6, 1 = 7.
I rolled 1d20+8, the result is 19, 8 = 27.
I rolled 1d6, the result is 4 = 4.
I rolled 1d20+8, the result is 19, 8 = 27.
I rolled 1d6, the result is 3 = 3.
I rolled 1d20+8, the result is 20, 8 = 28.
I rolled 1d4, the result is 1 = 1.
I rolled 1d20+8, the result is 9, 8 = 17.
I rolled 1d4, the result is 3 = 3.
Stabilization, Grimvaalk's Wolf
I rolled 1d100, the result is 17 = 17.
Confirmation, Wing vs. Fanax
I rolled 1d20+8, the result is 13, 8 = 21.
I rolled 1d4, the result is 3 = 3.

Wæs se grimma gæst Grendel haten,
mære mearcstapa, se þe moras heold

MinusInnocence
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Oops, sorry. I posted in the IC thread. Synopsis: Oni attacked again and missed with a 3.

"Men are the only animals that devote themselves, day in and day out, to making one another unhappy. It is an art like any other. Its virtuosi are called altruists." - H.L. Mencken

MinusInnocence
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I want slipping past me to escape out of the cave to be as inconvenient for the dragon as possible, so Oni will stay where he is (even though what he really wants to do is flank with Fanax).

He'll just plant himself like a tree by the River of Truth and swing for the fences again.

Morningstar vs Vumrot (masterwork, two hands)
I rolled 1d20+6, the result is 3, 6 = 9.
I rolled 1d8+4, the result is 6, 4 = 10.

Transplanted from IC thread. -- Talanall

"Men are the only animals that devote themselves, day in and day out, to making one another unhappy. It is an art like any other. Its virtuosi are called altruists." - H.L. Mencken

Talanall
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Stabilization, Zathrus

I rolled 1d100, the result is 59 = 59.
Stabilization also for Yonah, because I forgot him last round.
I rolled 1d100, the result is 72 = 72.

Wæs se grimma gæst Grendel haten,
mære mearcstapa, se þe moras heold

Darker

At least Grim has a decent shot. He'll step back 5' S to stand over his wolf and fire two shots in the dragon.

I rolled 1d20+5, the result is 1, 5 = 6.
I rolled 1d6+2, the result is 6, 2 = 8.
I rolled 1d20+5, the result is 2, 5 = 7.
I rolled 1d6+2, the result is 1, 2 = 3.

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