Alannah, bored now, will try to get closer to Wæmunding to see if he's saying anything interesting.
Oskav doesn't care about this so he's going to go back to the library.
"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
Damn...Avar needs to be in Cuuls convo!
He and scorpion lady seem to share a common thought.
It's not the first time a man has let a milkmaid with ample jugs distract him from a woman that might be a better match.
Does Alannah know anything about Marta? Like ever heard of her? She keeps eavesdropping, though she's considering punching one or both of them.
Alannah is pretty sure that Marta's father is a merchant of some kind. Padishar Meel, by name. Which would make her Marta Meel. Obviously, Alannah would need to ask to be sure; it's not like she keeps up with every mercantile interest in town. Really, it's kind of a miracle that she remembered this much.
Marta Meel. Huh, what an awful name.
Anyway. Yes, a merchant. Wealthy, Alannah believes, or involved in politics as a member of the Council of Guildmasters, or both. Otherwise, why would Marta be at a party like this?
Wæs se grimma gæst Grendel haten,mære mearcstapa, se þe moras heold
Oh fun. She'll try to catch another snippet of conversation before throat punching one of them.
Rather than reading that as 'Alannah continues eavesdropping' I read that as 'what's up with that Marta bitch eavesdropping on my conversation'. Obviously Alannah and Marta were both subjects of the first sentence. Are their any clear rules in English about 'last proper noun used is eligible to becomes a pronoun'? I could read up on it (and I probably will), but Talanall, you English good, what you say?
Marta was not the subject of the sentence, "Does Alannah know anything about Marta?" The subject of that sentence is Alannah. Marta is the object of the preposition 'about.'
Hell yeah, Alannah is about to make a scene.
It's probably good that Alannah doesn't know more about Nithingsbane, or she'd bump it higher up her priority list. Owning that sword is a pretty miserable experience.
Man. How much more interesting would this game be if Avar smited the milkmaid mid coitus with his penis?
I guess it's distantly possible that she worships an evil deity without actually being evil herself. Is Avar still spamming detect evil?
Well, if she's neutral and just has a thing for wicked deities, then that's one thing. If he's contemplating whether or not to shag Maleficent, then that's another entirely. I don't think he has a very strong argument to the effect that he wouldn't be associating with her, either way, so it actually kind of matters.
Also I guess it matters whether you think one-night stands are chaotic, and if so, how chaotic you think they are. Or perhaps he's planning some kind of longer-term association.
Anyway, there's nothing actually in the paladin's code that calls for celibacy. But there's a lot that would call for some kind of informed consent, and the religious thing is a matter of genuine concern.
Way to piss on that parade.
Informed consent? Thought the new thing was "enthusiastic" consent.
Tolrea is not our world. But I'm sure there are people in Tolrea who go in for that kind of ethical purity there, too.
Maybe Oskav can challenge Waegmunding to a duel for taking advantage of his pet bird while it was drunk then just fireball him to death once he rolls initiative, claiming ignorance of Port Hope's backwards customs.
I love that Oskav hasn't even met Wæmunding, and we're already theorizing about scenarios in which he might be able to murder this guy.
But he'd better get in line quickly, because it looks like Garren wants to see to the matter.
Everyone: "Hey, Chuul?"
Everyone: "Kill that man. He took advantage of a girl."
Chuul: "Oh. M'kay." *stab*
Oh, Alannah was just going to slap him and give him a stern talking to.
Doot doot doot.
Who is in this room? Can Alannah possibly cast a spell if Garren and Avar block the view?
As a bard, Alannah has no alternative but to use verbal components. There is no disguising the fact that she is casting a spell.
Would it not be possible to try and cover it up as humming or something?
It's the current year. No one should ever have to cover up that they're casting a spell.
Ok, wasn't sure if the ambient noise in the area plus her keeping her casting "voice" down would be enough. She was thinking of casting invisibility on Marta (after explaining things so she didn't freak) and leading her out to the library to make sure fucknut doesn't try to follow them.
We know from the Magic chapter that verbal components to spells necessitate speaking in a loud, clear voice. I don't know if bard spells sound like songs or not. It would be cool if they did, and in this case it would definitely help; but I also think it goes against the subtext of verbal components being impossible to conceal by lowering your voice, which is that people in your presence should be able to identify right away that you're casting a spell.
The DC to make a Listen check and hear people talking is 0, but the check suffers a -1 penalty for every 10' of distance between you and the source of noise. We also know from the skill description that the DC goes up by 5 if the listener is distracted, and I think someone currently and actively engaged in a conversation with someone standing right next to him qualifies. You might even be able to argue for another minor penalty like +2 to the DC.
So you're looking at DC 5-7 at a distance of X feet. If you can get her out of his line of sight and in a different room, even if he hears you casting the spell all he will really know is that Marta walked in but never walked out; assuming, of course, that A. No one who witnesses the spell being cast says or does anything about it; B. He doesn't succeed in a Spellcraft check to correctly identify the spell being cast; and C. He doesn't have any way to detect invisible creatures or objects.
There are a few things going on here, and I guess I'll break them out individually so that you can make an informed decision about what might be the consequences of casting a spell under observation in general, and in this specific social setting.
To start with: as Mike suggests, there's just the question of whether you can conceal what you are doing. It is an ironclad rule that bard spells have a verbal component. Furthermore (and this is something that's buried in the rules for the Silent Spell feat), bard spells cannot be made silent using metamagic feats.
We also know with some specificity that the verbal component of a spell is always recognizable as such to anyone with even a modicum of knowledge about such things. The Spellcraft skill spells it out that you can use observations of verbal or somatic components to identify a spell as it is being cast. This means that if you're dealing with a spell that has only verbal components, like power word:blind, that's your only option for identifying the spell as it's cast. In the case of a stilled version of that spell, you can't tell what is happening until you actually observe an effect from the spell. And if you have a spell that relies on both verbal and somatic components, you can render it unidentifiable by using the appropriate metamagic.
Bards are kind of left out in the cold on this score because there is no Core methodology for them to cast a spell that is not obviously a spell.
So we can tell for sure that anyone who can see and/or hear Alannah and has at least one rank of Spellcraft will at least know that she's casting a spell, and potentially will know that it is invisibility. The rules are not totally clear about people who aren't trained in Spellcraft, but I think it's fair to suggest that if Alannah makes this girl disappear, people will conclude that the waving arms and chanting were indicative of a spell being cast. It wouldn't be terribly hard to arrange matters so that Wæmunding doesn't have line of sight, and there is ambient noise. So he might not even hear anything.
But it's also worthwhile to keep in mind that there are a couple of different paths through this mansion that could allow you to get to the library (or some other relatively private area) without bothering with magic at all. You could just walk westward, pass out of his line of sight, and then keep going through the foyer. There are crowds of partygoers clumped here and there, pretty much everywhere that isn't the banqueting hall.
And crowds provide cover, meaning that they support Hide checks. As with Listen checks, distance imposes penalties to the Spot check required to oppose a Hide check. So it'd be pretty easy for him to lose track of you, assuming he's even keeping track in the first place.
So really, you probably don't even need to have recourse to magic unless you think this guy is going to roll up to you and do . . . well, I'm not really sure what you think he's likely to do. I mean, yes, he's blackmailing this chick and her father. But whatever he's got on them is hardly going to stop being blackmail material if you walk into another room with her.
I guess he might decide to challenge someone to a duel or something, but that's really only a problem insofar as it'll cause a scene, upset Marta, and possibly get him (and you, depending how you deal with him) thrown out of this place. And I guess that if you kill him or beat the dog shit out of him, he or someone in his employ might cause whatever dirt he has on her family to become public.
But suffice it to say that he's got something to lose if he does anything other than glare at you and think mean thoughts at your receding backs. That doesn't mean he won't take a risk.
And then again, there are other options, even less direct, at your disposal. I won't spell it out in detail, but you've encountered at least a couple of NPCs who're already happy to disrupt this guy's plans.
Finally, one major argument against deploying magic to spirit Marta away to the library is that even though Wæmunding probably won't notice, various servants, guests dining in the banquet hall, and sundry others certainly will notice. The risk is that your vanishing act will arouse curiosity from people other than Wæmunding. That may not be a big deal from your perspective, but Marta probably will lose her shit. She clearly doesn't want an audience, and I can think of few things that would attract the attention of a bored socialite faster than a clear indication that you're up to something secretive. You guys aren't exactly celebrities, but nobody (except maybe the servants and musicians, who are paid to do as they're told) has really been pretending not to know who you are.
Ah, knowing that they'd be a way to just walk through, that sounds like it works just fine.
You can reach the library by moving from Room #5, through #s 7, 3, and 2, to Room #8.
Alannah attempts to do just that then.
Garren will follow.
What is the power dynamic between Waemunding's and Alastar's?
Roll Knowledge (nobility and royalty) and (maybe) find out.
Here's the roll. But I was more or less asking about Alannah's opinion: Is her house more powerful than his... not really an in-depth analysis.
Alannah only recognized the guy because of a favorable bardic knowledge result. Knowledge (nobility and royalty) is untrained for her, so this is actually just an Int check and Alannah isn't going to know anything that falls above a very basic DC 10 level of detail—in effect, stuff that is common knowledge, although perhaps not common to the level of "oh, everyone knows THAT."
At the time that Alannah recognized him, I made it clear that Alannah doesn't even know his rank. She's quite sure that he is counted as a member of the nobility. The lowest rank possible is the hereditary title of baron.
Alannah's father is a count; her eldest brother is a baron, basically because their dad has a barony as well as a county, and the custom is that if you have more than one title, your eldest kid gets to use the next best title you have.
So if he's a baron, Alannah's family would outrank him by a substantial margin. That doesn't mean her house is necessarily richer or more powerful. Rank doesn't change, but economic, political, and military strength does. By and large, her family is likely to have more money than his, just because they probably have bigger estate holdings, and that usually translates to more money unless someone screws up. Marta hasn't said anything that Alannah thinks is suggestive that Wæmunding's financial situation is unusual for a man of his rank.
Alannah doesn't know enough about this cat to have any strong ideas about whether he has military or political clout, or whether he has more or less than might be considered normal for his rank. Per the initial bardic knowledge result, she knows that he must be ambitious because she has good reason to think that he paid someone to write songs about his family and sing them in public venues.
Of course, she could be wrong about his rank. Alannah hated all the boring hereditary titles, heraldry, rules of precedence, etc. so if this asshole were a viscount or a count, she mightn't know. On the other hand, the higher your rank, the fewer other nobles of similar rank. There are only a couple of nobles ranked higher than count, other than the two earls the Bastards have already met. Counts are much more common, enough so that Alannah has no real reason to be surprised at meeting one that she doesn't know already, and viscounts and barons are even more common still.
The preponderance of evidence is that her family is of equal or greater rank, and probably greater.
I should add that Alannah knows that Wæmunding is the holder of the highest title of his family. Trogar's remarks simply don't make sense unless that's true.